Sean Meighan
General => Show Assets => Topic started by: RoboMello on October 12, 2015, 08:52:03 PM
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My P10 panel. :)
I used 42x P10.
The structure was built using Aluminum 6063 T-Slotted Light Extrusion from Amazon.com
Polycarbonate Sheets came from McMaster.com
Boscoyo parts are a most.
Roberto Mello
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Nice work Robert! You said only one power supply but how many watts is it? Seems interesting because I used 2 350w supplies for 20 panels and when I measured current draw and saw how low it was I told everyone on Falcon forum how it was way overkill to use 2 supplies for my 20 panels and people were pouncing on me like I was spreading misinformation....lol.
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Nice work Robert! You said only one power supply but how many watts is it? Seems interesting because I used 2 350w supplies for 20 panels and when I measured current draw and saw how low it was I told everyone on Falcon forum how it was way overkill to use 2 supplies for my 20 panels and people were pouncing on me like I was spreading misinformation....lol.
I have a 5V 60A power supply. 300W
It needs 10.5A per 8x P10 in full white.
When sequencing I don't have any 100% white, it would be way to bright.
But I will add a 2nd power supply for Christmas. Just in case :-)
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Nice work Robert! You said only one power supply but how many watts is it? Seems interesting because I used 2 350w supplies for 20 panels and when I measured current draw and saw how low it was I told everyone on Falcon forum how it was way overkill to use 2 supplies for my 20 panels and people were pouncing on me like I was spreading misinformation....lol.
I have a 5V 60A power supply. 300W
It needs 10.5A per 8x P10 in full white.
When sequencing I don't have any 100% white, it would be way to bright.
But I will add a 2nd power supply for Christmas. Just in case :-)
Most awesome job on that enclosure. Any idea of the weight after completion?
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Nice work Robert! You said only one power supply but how many watts is it? Seems interesting because I used 2 350w supplies for 20 panels and when I measured current draw and saw how low it was I told everyone on Falcon forum how it was way overkill to use 2 supplies for my 20 panels and people were pouncing on me like I was spreading misinformation....lol.
I have a 5V 60A power supply. 300W
It needs 10.5A per 8x P10 in full white.
When sequencing I don't have any 100% white, it would be way to bright.
But I will add a 2nd power supply for Christmas. Just in case :-)
Most awesome job on that enclosure. Any idea of the weight after completion?
Thanks Randy, I am not sure how heavy is it, but is way more than I wanted it to be. Over 150lb easy.
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Very nice Robert
Do you feel it will be weather tight.
Brad
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Very nice Robert
Do you feel it will be weather tight.
Brad
Thanks
My panel is setting outside since Oct 1st. We have had very strong rain, also we reached 25F or so.
On my next panel it will be narrow, doesn't have to be so deep. Also I would add 1 extra power supply.
Just one thing to keep in mind, is not easy to find a Polycarbonate sheet bigger than 8x4ft. so the 7x7 P10 is the maximum you can go.
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I appreciate the tip. Really nice to see how you showed your work and added the notes. In your free time you could put together a Robo enclosure manual. 8)
Brad
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Roberto
I like this design, especially using the aluminum frame. Anyway you could update your pdf with the material list and the URLs. That would help me and others if we decide to go this route. Excellent work.
Randy
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Any videos of this working? Awesome job!
Louie
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Any videos of this working? Awesome job!
Louie
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JATgjxsPTGY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-HwQkdmsds
:-)
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Thanks!
Louie
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Beyond beautiful case but I'm almost afraid to ask what the materials cost to build.
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Roberto
I like this design, especially using the aluminum frame. Anyway you could update your pdf with the material list and the URLs. That would help me and others if we decide to go this route. Excellent work.
Randy
Here is the complete list. Is not exactly what I used, but if I had to do it again, I would replace all the aluminum bars with Boscoyo T's.
I have to say I wish I had not put the numbers together :-(
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I was throwing around the idea of using clear vinyl for the front. I wan't to build a matrix over 4ft wide, so getting lexan or even plexiglass is just too much. I found reasonable prices, but shipping, which is freight, is almost $500.
Here is an example: https://www.onlinefabricstore.net/40-gauge-clear-vinyl-.htm?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=Google+-+PLA+-+Shopping&utm_term=pla&utm_content=xobJDL9pdc|pcrid|57080269693|pkw|pla|pmt|e|&gclid=CP-EuqKfoMoCFdM8gQodhdEIZQ (https://www.onlinefabricstore.net/40-gauge-clear-vinyl-.htm?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=Google+-+PLA+-+Shopping&utm_term=pla&utm_content=xobJDL9pdc|pcrid|57080269693|pkw|pla|pmt|e|&gclid=CP-EuqKfoMoCFdM8gQodhdEIZQ)
Would like to get your thoughts, or better yet, what would be an alternative for waterproofing the P10 panels when the matrix is large.
James
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I was throwing around the idea of using clear vinyl for the front. I wan't to build a matrix over 4ft wide, so getting lexan or even plexiglass is just too much. I found reasonable prices, but shipping, which is freight, is almost $500.
Here is an example: https://www.onlinefabricstore.net/40-gauge-clear-vinyl-.htm?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=Google+-+PLA+-+Shopping&utm_term=pla&utm_content=xobJDL9pdc|pcrid|57080269693|pkw|pla|pmt|e|&gclid=CP-EuqKfoMoCFdM8gQodhdEIZQ (https://www.onlinefabricstore.net/40-gauge-clear-vinyl-.htm?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=Google+-+PLA+-+Shopping&utm_term=pla&utm_content=xobJDL9pdc|pcrid|57080269693|pkw|pla|pmt|e|&gclid=CP-EuqKfoMoCFdM8gQodhdEIZQ)
Would like to get your thoughts, or better yet, what would be an alternative for waterproofing the P10 panels when the matrix is large.
James
I like the idea, I just don't know how it would react with the sun. :-)
Maybe using a 60 Gauge instead.
If you use outdoor P10 you won't need to cover the front, which would make it easier, and the sides and back could be smaller plexiglass, like I did on the top and back of my panel.
For my next panel I am looking at something like this
http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/Outdoor-Waterproof-Led-Display-Front-Open-Cabinet-Size-1280-x-480mm-P10-P8-P6-P5-P4/1247698_32336625939.html
:-)
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I'm considering the waterproof p10s. I've already ordered the non waterproof p10s in a pre-sale so I'm not sure if I can change.
I would also like to see what it would look like to join two pieces of lexan and see how noticeable the joint is.
My matrix is going outside but it will be covered (front porch) so I can get away with not being completely waterproof.
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I'm considering the waterproof p10s. I've already ordered the non waterproof p10s in a pre-sale so I'm not sure if I can change.
I would also like to see what it would look like to join two pieces of lexan and see how noticeable the joint is.
My matrix is going outside but it will be covered (front porch) so I can get away with not being completely waterproof.
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I just order a sample of the 40 and the 60 gauge vinyl. If work that will save a lot on my next project.
The waterproof P10 I think are the way to go.
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You only need 1/8" material so $500 sounds too high. I think I got the 4.5' x 2.5' and the smaller piece for my other panel $65 for both cut to size from a local plastic shop. You can get a 4'x8' sheet for $175 at home depot but I found their prices to be higher than the plastic shop. Good luck with trying the outdoor panels. I'm happy with the 1/8" plastic for protection.
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You only need 1/8" material so $500 sounds too high. I think I got the 4.5' x 2.5' and the smaller piece for my other panel $65 for both cut to size from a local plastic shop. You can get a 4'x8' sheet for $175 at home depot but I found their prices to be higher than the plastic shop. Good luck with trying the outdoor panels. I'm happy with the 1/8" plastic for protection.
My matrix is going to be bigger than 4x8. I can get a sheet of 4x8 for approximately $100. I found a sheet of 6x8 for $200 (I think), the $500 was for shipping as it was freight.
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8x8 panels?
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Good luck with a panel that size. Mine was already difficult handle.
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Good luck with a panel that size. Mine was already difficult handle.
I work out. ;D
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8x8 panels?
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7x11. This is still in planning. I've ordered the panels, that's about it. I'm throwing around the idea of making it modular, so 3 or 4 main sections that snap in place. Right now, adding a matrix is really the only thing I'm thinking of adding this year, so I've got time.
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So 7x11 you will have at least 2 BBB. 7x320? 11 tall?
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So 7x11 you will have at least 2 BBB. 7x320? 11 tall?
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Yes, 2 bbb. 11 wide 7 high, oriented portrait.
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Good luck with a panel that size. Mine was already difficult handle.
Went and looked at the deck board this weekend. Man that stuff is heavy. Thinking of using PVC molding instead, but cutting a groove like you did.
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Good luck with a panel that size. Mine was already difficult handle.
Went and looked at the deck board this weekend. Man that stuff is heavy. Thinking of using PVC molding instead, but cutting a groove like you did.
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Any videos of this working? Awesome job!
Louie
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JATgjxsPTGY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-HwQkdmsds
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Absolutely fantastic effects. How hard was it to get all those effects done in Nutcracker? I basically use autogenerate effects at the moment, but are you interested in sharing your sequence effects by any chance?
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I was throwing around the idea of using clear vinyl for the front. I wan't to build a matrix over 4ft wide, so getting lexan or even plexiglass is just too much. I found reasonable prices, but shipping, which is freight, is almost $500.
Here is an example: https://www.onlinefabricstore.net/40-gauge-clear-vinyl-.htm?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=Google+-+PLA+-+Shopping&utm_term=pla&utm_content=xobJDL9pdc|pcrid|57080269693|pkw|pla|pmt|e|&gclid=CP-EuqKfoMoCFdM8gQodhdEIZQ (https://www.onlinefabricstore.net/40-gauge-clear-vinyl-.htm?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=Google+-+PLA+-+Shopping&utm_term=pla&utm_content=xobJDL9pdc|pcrid|57080269693|pkw|pla|pmt|e|&gclid=CP-EuqKfoMoCFdM8gQodhdEIZQ)
Would like to get your thoughts, or better yet, what would be an alternative for waterproofing the P10 panels when the matrix is large.
James
Shipping on a large sheet can get outrageous, part of that is their insurance factor built in.
If you are interested in the sheet, find out where it comes from first. Then we can headache some ways to get it to you a lot cheaper, there are trucking companies in that corridor that would love a partial for $100 or so. There are glass carriers, hotshot folks, car haulers that bring pickups (fit in the or on the bed), granite haulers etc.
Tossing a piece of cardboard wrapped plexi or lexan for a reasonable fee would not take a lot of convincing.
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I'm considering the waterproof p10s. I've already ordered the non waterproof p10s in a pre-sale so I'm not sure if I can change.
I would also like to see what it would look like to join two pieces of lexan and see how noticeable the joint is.
My matrix is going outside but it will be covered (front porch) so I can get away with not being completely waterproof.
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I just order a sample of the 40 and the 60 gauge vinyl. If work that will save a lot on my next project.
The waterproof P10 I think are the way to go.
Did you try using vinyl on the p10 panels? If so, how did it work out?
James
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@Phrog30
I was wondering how your P10 matrix is holding up? I am considering one and I wanted to make a larger one like yours. Any comments (besides what you already wrote) now that you made it through Halloween and are into Christmas? Anything you would do different?
Is it ~ 7.3ft wide x 3.15ft tall?
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@Phrog30
I was wondering how your P10 matrix is holding up? I am considering one and I wanted to make a larger one like yours. Any comments (besides what you already wrote) now that you made it through Halloween and are into Christmas? Anything you would do different?
Is it ~ 7.3ft wide x 3.15ft tall?
I have a few comments to make. Might be later tonight until I can write something up.
James
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Sounds great, I look forward to hearing about your experiences with it!!!
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Sounds great, I look forward to hearing about your experiences with it!!!
Here are some pics:
I don't have any photos after painted and the vinyl cover on the front.
My biggest issue now is trying to get the BBB's to be reliable. They are very flaky.
The vinyl works well. I don't notice any glare, however, I didn't do a great job on installation. There are some wrinkles, which are somewhat noticeable during the day. At night, you can't tell any difference. That issue is my laziness. When the vinyl shipped, I should have removed from the box and laid out in the sun for a few hours. Because I didn't, it was hard to get the creases out from where it was folded during shipping. The vinyl is great at water proofing. My matrix is covered (by my front porch), so I didn't do much in water proofing the box, but I'm confident it would be water proof if I would have caulked the joints. If my matrix wouldn't have been covered, I would have tested with a water hose before installing the panels, just to ensure water tight joints.
You asked:
"Is it ~ 7.3ft wide x 3.15ft tall?"
It is actually 11 panels (69.2") by 7 panels (88.1"). My next post will show a layout.
I used Boscoyo parts for joining each panel. I then used aluminum angle to stiffen each "row". Then attached the angle to the enclosure via 90° brackets, you can see in one of the photos. This worked well.
I started off using 80/20, but that didn't work out well, so good ole' lumber was used. It is sturdy enough for what I needed.
I hope this was helpful info and I didn't ramble too much. I'm in multitask mode and that sometimes means confusion.
James
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Here's the layout....
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Any video at all please?
Cheers Boof63
I have p10 env,y mines only 4x4 in portrait
:'( :'( ;D ;D
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Right now I only have videos of the whole house.
https://vimeo.com/user59675733 (https://vimeo.com/user59675733)
I'm on a project right now, but I can try to take some close ups when I'm done.
James
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Sounds great, I look forward to hearing about your experiences with it!!!
Here are some pics:
I don't have any photos after painted and the vinyl cover on the front.
My biggest issue now is trying to get the BBB's to be reliable. They are very flaky.
The vinyl works well. I don't notice any glare, however, I didn't do a great job on installation. There are some wrinkles, which are somewhat noticeable during the day. At night, you can't tell any difference. That issue is my laziness. When the vinyl shipped, I should have removed from the box and laid out in the sun for a few hours. Because I didn't, it was hard to get the creases out from where it was folded during shipping. The vinyl is great at water proofing. My matrix is covered (by my front porch), so I didn't do much in water proofing the box, but I'm confident it would be water proof if I would have caulked the joints. If my matrix wouldn't have been covered, I would have tested with a water hose before installing the panels, just to ensure water tight joints.
You asked:
"Is it ~ 7.3ft wide x 3.15ft tall?"
It is actually 11 panels (69.2") by 7 panels (88.1"). My next post will show a layout.
I used Boscoyo parts for joining each panel. I then used aluminum angle to stiffen each "row". Then attached the angle to the enclosure via 90° brackets, you can see in one of the photos. This worked well.
I started off using 80/20, but that didn't work out well, so good ole' lumber was used. It is sturdy enough for what I needed.
I hope this was helpful info and I didn't ramble too much. I'm in multitask mode and that sometimes means confusion.
James
Thanks for the info and the pics!!! When you say vinyl, do you mean a clear sheet of flexible vinyl? What was your thought going with that over plexi/lexan? How did you attach the vinyl, staples (seems like it would slowly rip the vinyl, so I am guessing not)?
Wow, that is much bigger than I thought you made (I thought you did 7x6). Are your pretty happy with the results? How about doing simple animations/videos? I bet the weight is pretty extreme, would you do anything different with the overall design?
I've seen a few concerning posts about the BBB, makes me think if I go this route that I should go with a Pi and maybe ronp's board for it....
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I would recommend using P5s with Rons.
The price is a little higher but the resolution would be awesome. I doing this myself.
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I would recommend using P5s with Rons.
The price is a little higher but the resolution would be awesome. I doing this myself.
Who sells P5s? Are the physical dimensions the same (so that it would work with the Boscoyo strips)? I assume the power consumption is twice as much since the density is doubled? Anything else different that is of concern (like programming them)? How many P5s can RonP's board handle? And lastly, what size are you making (that enough questions?)? Thanks!
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This is the link for the P5
https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/64x32pixel-P5mm-Indoor-SMD-3in1-full-color-LED-Display-Screen-unit-panel-module-size-320mm-x/701799_32667937844.html?spm=2114.12010608.0.0.X9DMwx
Email Ray to get a good price.
I am using Rons because of the refresh rate 1/16.
I am not sure about the size or how many, I had an idea last year after going to TSO show :-) That would probably need close to 100 panels :-(
I was going to create one that is about 6ft tall by 3 wide, so I could use the 3D effects from Atmosfx, I am glad I didn't do it, because around here, they don't like Halloween much.
I have not powered them yet to see the consumption, which I am not really to concern about it, since I only use 1x 300W PSU for my 42x P10.
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Sounds great, I look forward to hearing about your experiences with it!!!
Here are some pics:
I don't have any photos after painted and the vinyl cover on the front.
My biggest issue now is trying to get the BBB's to be reliable. They are very flaky.
The vinyl works well. I don't notice any glare, however, I didn't do a great job on installation. There are some wrinkles, which are somewhat noticeable during the day. At night, you can't tell any difference. That issue is my laziness. When the vinyl shipped, I should have removed from the box and laid out in the sun for a few hours. Because I didn't, it was hard to get the creases out from where it was folded during shipping. The vinyl is great at water proofing. My matrix is covered (by my front porch), so I didn't do much in water proofing the box, but I'm confident it would be water proof if I would have caulked the joints. If my matrix wouldn't have been covered, I would have tested with a water hose before installing the panels, just to ensure water tight joints.
You asked:
"Is it ~ 7.3ft wide x 3.15ft tall?"
It is actually 11 panels (69.2") by 7 panels (88.1"). My next post will show a layout.
I used Boscoyo parts for joining each panel. I then used aluminum angle to stiffen each "row". Then attached the angle to the enclosure via 90° brackets, you can see in one of the photos. This worked well.
I started off using 80/20, but that didn't work out well, so good ole' lumber was used. It is sturdy enough for what I needed.
I hope this was helpful info and I didn't ramble too much. I'm in multitask mode and that sometimes means confusion.
James
Thanks for the info and the pics!!! When you say vinyl, do you mean a clear sheet of flexible vinyl? What was your thought going with that over plexi/lexan? How did you attach the vinyl, staples (seems like it would slowly rip the vinyl, so I am guessing not)?
Wow, that is much bigger than I thought you made (I thought you did 7x6). Are your pretty happy with the results? How about doing simple animations/videos? I bet the weight is pretty extreme, would you do anything different with the overall design?
I've seen a few concerning posts about the BBB, makes me think if I go this route that I should go with a Pi and maybe ronp's board for it....
Vinyl, like shower curtain. I got a pretty big piece at a farm supply place for around $40. Lexan or plexiglass would have been expensive, and hard to do. I have one piece. I stapled on the sides, then put a small piece of aluminum angle to protect and further secure in place.
The vinyl is somewhat think, seems like it should hold up. I can try and send a link later.
I'm happy with the overall design. It's not that heavy, but awkward. I wanted to build something modular, which I could easily manage smaller sections, but couldn't come up with anything. For the longest time I was waiting on boscoyo, he was supposed to come up with something but I never saw anything.
James
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I was all set on making a 6x6 p10 matrix next year... now I need to consider these p5's instead. I also already have a bbb/octoscroller (and a few p10's) for testing but it sounds more and more like a pi with rons board is much more reliable.