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What new effects you would like to see / Re: Live Show control
« on: August 30, 2016, 07:15:12 AM »
Excellent!  A quick look around shows that some folks have made adaptation programs for the guitars to make them midi controllers, so if you can pipe midi messages to the fpp that start/stop sequences it's probably closer to your big dream than you think!

This guys program looks like an awesome start!
https://youtu.be/3e0yZCLjwfU

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What new effects you would like to see / Re: Live Show control
« on: August 30, 2016, 06:33:29 AM »
What type of show are you doing? Guitar control sound fun...is it for concert?

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Do You Need Help? Post it here / Re: Advice needed for applicability
« on: August 18, 2016, 09:40:29 PM »
Your stage props look awesome! Glad xlights works for u


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Thanks so much. Yes it's been a fantastic addition. - M

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What new effects you would like to see / Re: Live Show control
« on: August 18, 2016, 09:37:40 PM »
This is my next area of research as I have so far only used xlights for live show control...although my way of using it is not really as design and development intends. But it sounds like fpp is next.  I'll be sure to post up what I learn too since I'm particularly interested in continuing to use xlights in live scenarios.  I use a novation launch pad in conjunction with audio stuff and have also adapted it for moving light patterns, but not yet for led shows...although it's quite a logical step.

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Do You Need Help? Post it here / Advice needed for applicability
« on: August 18, 2016, 09:28:24 PM »
From my last post...a funny story...

So I mentioned I was using electromagnets to control props falling off the set piece on cue after triggering my lightning effect from xlights...

So in rehearsals when I set up the magnets and was preparing to fire the Lightning, I had xlights looping a blackout (off effect) backstage...but the led's would occasionally blink on and then off.  This confused me greatly and I started searching for some kind of interference from the magnets (12volts too) and it just didn't make sense that my magnets would cause the flashing, but I was covering all options and the flashing only occurred when I was prepping the magnet portion of the effect.

Well...after a reasonable (aka not terribly embarrassing) amount of poking around I found the problem...which had nothing to do with wiring...

In my sequence, I made an off effect for prior to lightning.  Because of the way I laid out my led strips I found that making the Lightning effect on two tracks made a better effect on the set.  Well...in zooming in real close on the timeline I found that my  second lightning track was overlapping the off effect...so, since clicking on an effect previews that effect area and it loops when it completes the effect...in this case an off effect...each time the preview loop got to the end, it played the overlapping effect I had on the layer/track beneath it...and bam...some lights would flash.

Simple fix of course...I adjusted the timing markers to make certain they lined up equally...but it was a fun problem to solve. Lesson learned too!

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Do You Need Help? Post it here / Re: Advice needed for applicability
« on: August 18, 2016, 09:10:29 PM »
So I wanted to post another update to this thread.  I wound up using xlights and my setup again in this summer's town production of Little Mermaid and it worked wonderfully. Below are details of what I did for anyone interested...

One of the set pieces was a doubled sided rolling piece which had Ariel's Grotto on one side and Ursula's lair on the other.  For Ariel's grotto, I lined the "cave cubbys" shown here along with my fellow no-sleep set/tech and producer...



with some led strips.  They are turned on their side and attached by one of my favorite utility materials...floral wire.

On the other side I used zip ties to mount strips behind the last layer of Ursula's lair artwork.

Because the set piece was mobile, I rigged my controller (with some electronics help from a fellow wizard) to run off a 12volt battery.  I mounted the controller and some breakouts on a shelf we put in the set piece, and the battery in a hollow section of the lower part. We hooked up a meter to measure amperage of the 6 strips we used and found it drew 9 amps with all strips on white.  I also wired up a router and a separate circuit of electromagnets which we used to "destroy" the grotto.  Piece of cake.  Here's a shot of the wiring...



My special effects desk (more than just this) was just off stage left, so I put my Mac there and ran xlights.  I was able to make tracks and use the wonderful fact that when you click on an effect in a timeline it runs the effect in that area , as a means to cue each effect.  This is the same strategy I set up for my 5th graders last spring, only this time I ran the effects.  I just put an off effect in between each actual effect (in theater that's called a blackout) for organization mostly.  Also the labels in each effect made it possible to write cue numbers and effect details in. Overall it worked awesome!

Here are a couple in the dark pics I took of the set piece. 

Ariel's lightning:



If you compare to the first picture you can see what's going on.  This is a still frame but I used the Lightning effect which worked out incredibly!  I also built a Bluetooth controlled trident (shown here)



that could animate led's so the bottom lit up gold in sequence and then the fork flashed white right before the grotto flashed white. Then the magnets released various objects which clattered down completing the effect. Overall it worked great!

Here's the effect for Ursula's lair. This complemented stage lights on the front and around it.  I used a purple hue effect and added in some twinkles that made it look like poor unfortunate souls were trapped and moving around in it.



Overall, xlights continues to be a great way to add great effects into stage shows once the interface is approached from a theatrical perspective...which of course is a secondary, yet totally awesome application! Thank you guys so so much for such an awesome program! 

There's one thing I forgot to test when this rig was up and I will next time.  When I do this again I'd like to add in the ability to fade in and out the effects.  I know this is possible because I have played with it, but I haven't figured a way to transition from the lights full on to them fading when I want to (as opposed to in time).  In other words if I have say a 2 min time slot for an effect on the timeline and I add in a fade at the end, that works perfectly in context of the intention the software is designed for. But...what if I want to control when the fade happens live? (not intended function).  I thought well if I duplicate my effect into two timeslots and then I make the first one with no fades, and the second slot duration as long as the fade I want and with a fade programmed, then I could click the non-fade one and run it (preview it) until I'm ready to fade and then just click the second...as long as I can hit stop once it fades completely. ( clicking an area of the timeline previews that effect and loops it. I will post funny story about that in next post.). Or...set the cursor up so that when I hit play it starts at the fade effect slot, and just put an off effect after it and when it's time to fade out just click play.  What I haven't tried is to see what happens when the timeline goes from one effect to the same effect across a time marker....does it glitch in any noticeable way?  I will experiment next time I setup the rig.

Once again thank you guys for an amazing piece of software! I wish one day I could sit down and write an operation screen/view/skin specific for theater because you really can use this creatively for so many led-based productions!  Continued awesomeness!!

Mike

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Sean...awesome!! I love seeing this cool tech stretched out. It really is awesome. And the matrix idea will really add some pizazz I'm sure! 

I have 52 cues in this 45 minute show, so once I looked at that I opted to stay in software this time mostly Bc my other show duties (music director and pit conductor/piano ) left me little time to tackle more hardware, but I'm incredibly intrigued by that idea and would love to experiment too as well as hear what you wind up doing!

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Just wanted to take a second to update this. Yesterday was our first rehearsal with the lights. As you might imagine our 32 actors and actresses were dumbstruck by the awesomeness! (Who knew 8 single lines of led's could produce that much excitement for 9-11 year olds?

I wound up using Gilrock's suggestion of previewing the effects in the sequence.  Essentially our entire 45 minute show is contained in one 8 minute sequence, with each effect set at about a 5 second duration. Some a little longer to make looping more interesting.  In the script we marked cue numbers  where each effect happens, and I used the timing labels to match those numbers. My operator simply clicks each effect number when the time comes. Some are off effects allowing the set to go dark, some chases, etc.  It works beautifully!  I will take some pictures over the next few days.

Thank you everyone who contributed here! When I finish, I intend a small white paper on what I did in case others can learn from it.

Gratefully,
Mike

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Do You Need Help? Post it here / Re: Advice needed for applicability
« on: April 28, 2016, 04:53:33 PM »
Thanks guys. I'll be sure to post here what we wound up doing.  My 5th grade helpers are really computer saavvy...it's amazing. So I have every confidence we'll make something work.

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Do You Need Help? Post it here / Re: Advice needed for applicability
« on: April 27, 2016, 06:41:45 PM »
Thanks jnealand. I appreciate your pennies greatly!!

But if I want breaks between sequences how to construct that so my fifth graders can easily run them when they want...not timed.

Here's a good simple example.
At the start, we want our lights to go crazy with a pattern sequence for 2 or 3 minutes and stop doing that when some action on stage happens from a young actor. I interpret this in the software as making a pattern on my model for let's say a 4 minute sequence (Bc I know there is no way it will go longer.). When the actor stops...then at that moment my crew stops the current sequence somehow and the lights go out.

A minute or two later (whenever another actor finishes saying their line) the lights turn on again as just plain red and stay on for let's say 4 minutes. So I can again make a sequence with my model where all the pixel lines are red and set the timing for that to another 5 min sequence...(because I know it won't last that long.)

What I'm pondering is, what's the simplest way to then let my young apprentices (10-11 years old and full of awesome enthusiasm) launch the different sequences in show order, but when they choose to? Are there transport (play/pause) controls for sequences at a level higher than the sequence window? Of do they need to open and load each sequence?

I greatly appreciate the advice as I continue to design the show.


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Do You Need Help? Post it here / Re: Advice needed for applicability
« on: April 27, 2016, 02:55:58 PM »
Well hello again!  As I near production I'm finally programming and wiring my controller.  So much great info here and the manual is really well done!

Only question, in the above software proposal by @Gilrock... would I have the show be one long (45 minute plus) sequence using off effects to create timing?  Or is it better to make shorter sequences to move between? For example, we have one scene where we want all the strips to be red for something like 4 minutes.  I understand I can make, say a five minute section of just red strips in the sequence, and then that part would play during that scene.  But if I break up my show into different sequences, and I want the kids to manually play each one...does that occur by needing them to load different sequences into the software?  Is there a way to let them click between short sequences and choose to play them, or is it better to just have one big one running for the whole show?  And what's your experience with really long sequences?
(I haven't played with the full show timing yet, in case that isn't obvious.)

Thanks!
Mike

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Do You Need Help? Post it here / Re: Advice needed for applicability
« on: January 23, 2016, 03:57:43 PM »

For my advice it doesn't need to be Off effects you can click on any effect.  What I do is I have a whole bunch of effects in a row and when I want to preview them in a loop for a demonstration I just create another layer on the model and put an Off effect at the bottom below all the effects I want to preview.  I only use Off because it doesn't actually display anything its just a method of having an effect that has the duration I want to preview.

For Mark idea you wouldn't be running xLights at all.  You would just save all your sequences and then load them on the Pi and then trigger the sequences to run using switch inputs to the Pi.

Ah I get it.  You are using an off effect as a placeholder for some desired subdivision of your show sequence.  Makes sense.

I'm going to resist the urge to post many more questions Bc I'm certain most will now be answered by getting rolling with the software.  Thank you guys!! I really appreciate the help!  I'll post a build thread in the appropriate place once I have things going a bit.  Now off to hunt down the post holiday bargains everyone's posted about.

Mike

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Do You Need Help? Post it here / Advice needed for applicability
« on: January 22, 2016, 08:32:32 AM »
simply put - yes.  A fifth grader could select an option (a sequence) and hit play and pause.


If you want to invest a few more dollars, you could get a Raspberry PI, load up the Falcon Player (FPP) and set up some buttons from the GPIO pin outs and literally have the student press a physical button at the appropriate time.  If you haven't found Falcon Christmas (falconchristmas.com) forum - a sister hardware site to this software site, I suggest you check it out.


My 2c worth.

Very cool!  If they pick and play a sequence, is that from the playlist screen I see in the manual?  Anything that hides all the bells and whistles from them, and by bells and whistles I mean shiny buttons they may click when not supposed to ;), would be ideal. 

Hardware sounds awesome!!  I'm reasonably familiar with the power of the Pi...but have not yet discovered that site!  Thanks for providing tonight's reading...I can't wait to look.  Big easy buttons are a very good call!

Thank you!
Mike

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Do You Need Help? Post it here / Re: Advice needed for applicability
« on: January 22, 2016, 08:28:17 AM »

So one thing you can do is have a sequence open in xLights and then manually click on an effect and have it preview real time on the hardware. 

What I do is create a really long Off effect on a bottom layer of a model and it will play/preview everything you have in the sequence during the duration of that Off effect.  So you could just have an Off effect for the duration of each section.  You could even create a view that has only the Off effects and the timing labels so they wouldn't click on the wrong thing.  The only hiccup to that method is currently the preview will loop when it gets to the end of whatever effect you click on.


Awesome!  I'll read up on off effects and I'm certain once I'm programming it that this will click.  Looping isn't bad though...one section might just be all "eaves" red.  I wonder if the loop will turn off and on on a repeat?  If so I could just make that section way longer than the intended scene.

I like the idea of a view that hides a bunch of stuff my talented kiddos won't accidentally click, since I won't have much time live to fix that.

Thank you for getting me started!!
Mike

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Do You Need Help? Post it here / Advice needed for applicability
« on: January 22, 2016, 07:56:41 AM »
Hi everyone and greetings from Connecticut.

I have been reading and researching for days and am glad to finally join this awesome community.  I'm a tinkerer, former software guy, and active stay-at-home dad with three kids.  I must say in reading through this forum that it's great to find like-minded kind individuals who seem genuinely willing to help each other.  Thanks for being so awesome!!

Although I have read and researched until my head hurt, I have not gone through with an install of the app yet, and here's why...I have what I think is a simple operations question that I need an answer to before I plunge in and start going full scale.

The question is, is it possible to play sequences manually?  There is a lot of focus, and understandably so, on automated music based lighting (because that's the focus of the program, duh Mike.). But...can I make a bunch of simple sequences and then opt to play them back by hand in an order I choose?  I don't even need them to be seamless or built on the fly like I think Matrix or Madrigal? (Sp) (The European DJ expensive thing.)

Why??

Well, one of my dad roles is that I'm very active in elementary school drama club.  This year we are doing a play about video games.  Old school 80's 90's video games.  I want to make the set fill up with led's.  Simplest analogy would be I'll have a number of eaves made out of Intel led strips.  Think Donkey Kong levels...only led's .  During the show I want them to do things...one scene they light up blue like a dumb strip. Maybe at another point they suddenly break into a chase sequence, etc.  I want to give control of triggering the different effects to a fifth grade student sitting next to me in the music pit while I'm conducting/playing.  The lights do not have to change in time with the music, but I want them to be easy to click between different things I set up...like color wash pink, rainbow chase, blue flash, etc.

I'm sneakily planning to use this show as my learning curve for next year's lawn display at my house...a first in our neighborhood. :)

Anyway I would appreciate it if you could help me theorize how I can do this if possible or guide me toward some more focused reading.  We are on an elementary school budget...which is another reason I'm so grateful to have found this group.  I can donate led's and drivers to the school and bring in my Mac , then repurpose the led's next year.  And I can certainly kick beer money into the xlight pot ;)

Most gratefully,
Mike

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