2016.23 onwards - copying effects to other elements.

[T4Z]

Hello all,
I am currently using 2016.22 because from 2016.23 onwards I have a problem copy effects to other display elements. I'm using windows 10 and when I copy an effect it's size remains the same. So if the effect on one element spans 10 timing markers (10 cells?), when I try to copy it somewhere else but only select 2 cells, the effect is still 10 cells in length.
I hope you guys know what the heck I'm on about because in my head is sounds right !? 
Thanks very much. Taz.

[kevinp]

Are you using the Paste By Cell or Paste By Time options?

[Gilrock]

It helps to look at release notes for clues.  The very next checkin after release 2016.22 says:
"Paste modifications for how single effects paste in various situations.  Fixes #549."

So I'm assuming you are copying a single effect because that's the behavior that changed.  Now you have like 4 options on how a single cell is pasted.

1)  You copy a single effect, select a single cell and hit Paste with Paste by Time mode.  The result is the effect is pasted with the original duration.
2)  You copy a single effect, select a single cell and hit Paste with Paste by Cell mode.  The result is the effect is pasted to fit within the selected cell.
3)  You copy a single effect, select multiple cells and hit Paste with Paste by Time mode.  The result is the effect is pasted as one effect that spans the duration of the selected cells.
4)  You copy a single effect, select multiple cells and hit Paste with Paste by Cell mode.  The result is you get a copy of that effect pasted into every cell.

[Gilrock]

This is probably good info for the user manual if someone can make what I said clear.  Also double-check that I'm right because I'm going from memory here.

[T4Z]

Thank you very much gents, I knew it would be me. The one thing was that I couldn't find anywhere where I could switch between "paste by time" and "paste by cell" until I did -  settings > reset toolbars.
Now all is well in my world.
Cheers. Taz.

[Gilrock]

Yeah I think we figured out how to make your toolbars reset when we add something to the build that changes them.

[gerry]

Yeah I think we figured out how to make your toolbars reset when we add something to the build that changes them.

That's great !

Have copied the other explanation (for the manual) and will verify before adding with images . Wont be in the one that Kevin sent last night for publication (27) , but in the one after that.

[gerry]

This is probably good info for the user manual if someone can make what I said clear.  Also double-check that I'm right because I'm going from memory here.

I am getting the strangest results at version 28. paste by time and cell seemed to be reversed.
Also I could not get (3) and (4) to work. The results defaulted to one cell or to the original duration of the copied effect.
In all cases the source was one cell . Highlighting three cells in pasting still used only the first destination cell.
Must be some user error here... 

[Gilrock]

Ok I confused you with a little misinformation.  So the 3 and 4 I'm describing is how it works when you hit a shortcut hotkey to place an effect.  That uses the Paste logic to execute it so that's what I was remembering.  If you copy a single effect from the grid selecting multiple cells for the destination is meaningless because I only look at the position of the first cell selected.  Its only when using a hotkey that selecting multiple target cells matters.

Paste by time and cell are not reversed you probably aren't realizing how paste by cell works.  It's based off the percentage that the original effect fills the cell.  Here's the best way to see it.

Make a timing mark that is 3 seconds long and then place an effect in it only halfway so a 1.5 second duration effect inside a 3 second timing mark.  Now create a second timing mark that is 6 seconds in duration.  Copy the effect and then click the 6 second cell and hit paste using paste by time.  You will get an effect pasted that is 1.5 seconds long because that was the original time.  Now do the same paste with paste by cell.  You will get an effect pasted that is 3 seconds long because the original effect took up 50% of the cell so 50% of the 6 seconds is now 3 seconds.  The idea is effects that took up 100% of a cell will paste taking up 100% of the target cell when pasting by cell and if they took up less than 100% then I scale accordingly.

[Gilrock]

So basically the reply to the original issue is that no you can't copy a 10 cell effect and paste it into 2 cells.

But I'll look into whether it's something I could do.  Basically maybe I can allow it to work the way I stated I thought it worked.  I already have it working that way for hotkey pastes.

[Gilrock]

I think I'm gonna make another change to how the single effect paste works.  Putting it back closer to the version .22 behavior.  After playing around it doesn't seem to be beneficial to provide the percentage based paste when it's only a single effect.  So if it's paste by cell I think I'll put it back to filling the cell or cells you select and paste by time would hold the original time.

[gerry]

Thanks Gil,

I will download the latest version and experiment. Will also check what I have documented for hotkeys to see if that has been covered.
So much to do and so little time.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4l1L1VJd78