you nailed it!! thank you very much all you guys are awesome. If you want something to ponder. my spi3 output to universes 9,10, 11,12 was lighting pixels all over. when i would hold the cable it would get better so i replaced the cable. Its a shielded cable by the way and it is grounded. problem stayed the same. i figured i would ground the end closest to the pixel strip to see what happened so i put put a clamp on the shieth and it got better then i took a wire for testing and connected it to the clamp and everything is good. the wire is just laying in the yard. im so lost but its working so no complaints. just thought i would throw that out there