Ok, thank you for the reply.
1. I have installed the 2023 version of xLights_64
2. just watch the videos from 2020 to figure out how to get these 2 controllers to talk to xLights?
3. With using xLights I can finally use my Raspberry Pi's that I have to do much more.
4. Frustration is already starting

Just think of the song, "The 12 Pains of Christmas" that is going thru my head as I attempt this leap of faith

Thanks!
Dave