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Offline ericw

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Phantom data appearing after render.
« on: September 24, 2019, 09:49:57 AM »
Hi all!
All my sequences began in Vixen 2.1 and were migrated to xLights last year. I had to use both the "import as data layer" and the "import as effects" functions in order for my display to behave correctly. This year the .vix data layer is long gone and I am editing my sequences for 2019. The biggest issue is my Glow With The Show controls. I have 17 channels that require exact intensities, and after rendering a whole ton of information & wrong values appear.

In the first picture is a fresh startup of xLights & load of the sequence. Everything looks good and all intensity values look correct at the Strand level. In the second picture I had just hit the render all button and all this new information appears at the Node level. Some of this new stuff even has incorrect intensities between the Strand and Node levels further corrupting the GWTS data.

Following a suggestion I found somewhere, I deleted the .fseq file and made sure the render mode is not in canvas. No change occurred. I don't understand where this "phantom" data is being read from.

On top of that, every single one of the On effects in all my sequences say a starting intensity & ending intensity of 100% when it is very obvious that the actual data being outputted to lights is not 100%.

Ideas?.

(And yes I still use Winamp, and I'm proud of it!  :) )

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Re: Phantom data appearing after render.
« Reply #1 on: September 24, 2019, 09:58:29 AM »
Well the data is obviously coming from somewhere that we can't see in the photos so we can't solve it without you sharing the sequence.

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Re: Phantom data appearing after render.
« Reply #2 on: September 24, 2019, 10:06:04 AM »
When you first start xLights, nothing is rendered yet so the Nodes don't have data.   Thus, they are "black" in the first picture.    Once you render, the strand (and/or model) level effects render and the nodes now have values and are thus not black.   For the strands that have effects on them, this looks correct.    Beyond that, you WILL need to share the sequence.
« Last Edit: September 24, 2019, 10:08:07 AM by dkulp »
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Re: Phantom data appearing after render.
« Reply #3 on: September 24, 2019, 01:18:15 PM »
Here are the XML & RGB Effects files.

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Re: Phantom data appearing after render.
« Reply #4 on: September 24, 2019, 03:49:50 PM »
On top of that, every single one of the On effects in all my sequences say a starting intensity & ending intensity of 100% when it is very obvious that the actual data being outputted to lights is not 100%.

I'm not at home but I took a quick look at the sequence XML and this statement is not true.  You have many On effects that have ramps that don't start at 0 or 100 so you have partial fades built into your On effects they are not all 100%.  Also you have 56 different color palettes stored in the sequence so even though a color is 100% intensity it doesn't mean it will look fully bright for any dimmer colors.

    <Effect>E_TEXTCTRL_Eff_On_End=100,E_TEXTCTRL_Eff_On_Start=0</Effect>
    <Effect>E_TEXTCTRL_Eff_On_End=0,E_TEXTCTRL_Eff_On_Start=100</Effect>
    <Effect></Effect>
    <Effect>E_TEXTCTRL_Eff_On_End=33,E_TEXTCTRL_Eff_On_Start=100</Effect>
    <Effect>E_TEXTCTRL_Eff_On_Start=0</Effect>
    <Effect>E_TEXTCTRL_Eff_On_End=66,E_TEXTCTRL_Eff_On_Start=0</Effect>
    <Effect>E_TEXTCTRL_Eff_On_End=0,E_TEXTCTRL_Eff_On_Start=87</Effect>
    <Effect>E_TEXTCTRL_Eff_On_End=0,E_TEXTCTRL_Eff_On_Start=75</Effect>
    <Effect>E_TEXTCTRL_Eff_On_End=0,E_TEXTCTRL_Eff_On_Start=39</Effect>
    <Effect>E_TEXTCTRL_Eff_On_End=50,E_TEXTCTRL_Eff_On_Start=0</Effect>
    <Effect>E_TEXTCTRL_Eff_On_End=0,E_TEXTCTRL_Eff_On_Start=50</Effect>
    <Effect>E_TEXTCTRL_Eff_On_End=39,E_TEXTCTRL_Eff_On_Start=0</Effect>
    <Effect>E_TEXTCTRL_Eff_On_End=0,E_TEXTCTRL_Eff_On_Start=25</Effect>
    <Effect>E_TEXTCTRL_Eff_On_End=75,E_TEXTCTRL_Eff_On_Start=0</Effect>
    <Effect>E_TEXTCTRL_Eff_On_End=15,E_TEXTCTRL_Eff_On_Start=39</Effect>
    <Effect>E_TEXTCTRL_Eff_On_End=6,E_TEXTCTRL_Eff_On_Start=100</Effect>
    <Effect>E_TEXTCTRL_Eff_On_End=24,E_TEXTCTRL_Eff_On_Start=100</Effect>
    <Effect>E_TEXTCTRL_Eff_On_End=100,E_TEXTCTRL_Eff_On_Start=6</Effect>
    <Effect>E_TEXTCTRL_Eff_On_End=56,E_TEXTCTRL_Eff_On_Start=56</Effect>
    <Effect>E_TEXTCTRL_Eff_On_End=0,E_TEXTCTRL_Eff_On_Start=0</Effect>

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Re: Phantom data appearing after render.
« Reply #5 on: September 24, 2019, 05:11:58 PM »
There are apparently problems with a matrix of "single color" nodes.     Very bizarre setup.  Pretty sure I wouldn't have modeled them that way, but there is a bug there.
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Re: Phantom data appearing after render.
« Reply #6 on: September 24, 2019, 05:32:00 PM »
I knew it.  As soon as I'm home and can take a look Dan's already found it.

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Re: Phantom data appearing after render.
« Reply #7 on: September 24, 2019, 06:28:34 PM »
Doh! 56 color palettes for a 90 second song? The conversion process from Vixen 2.1 was not kind. Didn't even think about the intensities being translated into colors instead.

As for the matrix of single color nodes, how would you have done it? I picked a matrix so the data would be more visible in the whole home preview. Single Line model?


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Re: Phantom data appearing after render.
« Reply #8 on: September 24, 2019, 06:38:51 PM »
Yeah if its Glow with the Show data I'd just use a Single Line model.

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Re: Phantom data appearing after render.
« Reply #9 on: September 24, 2019, 06:58:15 PM »
Ok. So I changed the GWTS model from a matrix to single line with 17 strings and 1 light per string. I shifted the relevant effects up into nodes 2-17 and dropped the effects on strand 1 onto node 1 and it worked!

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Re: Phantom data appearing after render.
« Reply #10 on: September 25, 2019, 04:30:13 AM »
I think i have a fix for the single colour matrix