4 Color LED Prop Setup

[RandyS]

You're right I was never going to work on it but I'm not the only developer. 

Nuff said........

[RandyS]

Reading this thread, I have fond memories of working with IT consultants on an ERP project at work! The language barrier between the 'guru' and the 'lay person'. 
I can definitely see what Gilrock is getting at regarding dropping a purple 'on' effect on a green led. If the green RGB value is '0' then should the led be on, off or somewhere in between?
Personally when sequencing my AC channels I try to use the correct color where possible, and use what ever I set up for multicolor strings.

Sorry for poking my nose in!!

Yes, I am a 'lay person' but, my point is, no matter which color you drop on an AC element, it is always going to be the color of the element - can't be any other way.  Not sure who is not understanding whom here.........

[Gilrock]

Feel free to jump in because I often don't explain what I'm thinking very well.  Currently with our Single Color models if you dropped a purple effect on a Single Color Green string it wouldn't turn it on because the green component of purple's RGB value is 0.  That's why we steer users to use White because it will always turn on any Single Color string model.  We also already have an RGBW string type but it only allows you to turn on the RGB channels or the W channel....you can never turn on all 4 at the same time.  I've seen videos of how people sequence in LOR for RGBW superstrings and they place effects on each channel so LOR knows exactly what to do the with data.  We would be able to do the same thing for effects at the channel/node level but what's unclear is what we would do with strand and model level effects.  The idea just doesn't fit well with our current engine and I don't have a good solution or it would have probably been done months ago.  But in reality we are not going to add any significant enhancements till January.

[RandyS]

Geez, I already gave up........... nuff said.........

[Gilrock]

Geez, I already gave up........... nuff said.........

I'll quit replying when the thread doesn't show up in my unread threads list.

[worksopian]

Reading this thread, I have fond memories of working with IT consultants on an ERP project at work! The language barrier between the 'guru' and the 'lay person'. 
I can definitely see what Gilrock is getting at regarding dropping a purple 'on' effect on a green led. If the green RGB value is '0' then should the led be on, off or somewhere in between?
Personally when sequencing my AC channels I try to use the correct color where possible, and use what ever I set up for multicolor strings.

Sorry for poking my nose in!!

Yes, I am a 'lay person' but, my point is, no matter which color you drop on an AC element, it is always going to be the color of the element - can't be any other way.  Not sure who is not understanding whom here.........

I am a 'lay person' too, I feel the pain from both sides of this issue!!
It does matter what color you drop on an AC element because of the way that the program interprets the color.
XLights was desir RGB so when you drop a color, it is made up of the RGB values.Therefore, using Gilrocks example, if you drop a purple on a green element you will not get any lights as the green value in purple is '0'.
When you set up the AC channel in XLights it asks you to give it a color, that determines what the program thinks the color of the element should be.

It was not my intention to upset you, rather I wanted to try and help!

[worksopian]

Reading this thread, I have fond memories of working with IT consultants on an ERP project at work! The language barrier between the 'guru' and the 'lay person'. 
I can definitely see what Gilrock is getting at regarding dropping a purple 'on' effect on a green led. If the green RGB value is '0' then should the led be on, off or somewhere in between?
Personally when sequencing my AC channels I try to use the correct color where possible, and use what ever I set up for multicolor strings.

Sorry for poking my nose in!!

Yes, I am a 'lay person' but, my point is, no matter which color you drop on an AC element, it is always going to be the color of the element - can't be any other way.  Not sure who is not understanding whom here.........

But  the amount of power sent to that color is zero then you don't get any light!!

[flyinverted]

Randy

xLights can accommodate this now. It's a mental challenge to accept the way the program operates from the way you think it should operate.  I along with many others had a similar challenge when converting from LOR years ago.

Once I let go of the way it used to be done and embraced the way it is done, I never have looked back or gone back to the old way.  Again, you can program those models today with xLights. It might not be the way your brain's workflow pattern is accustomed to.  The mental hurdle is the biggest one to climb and once you do, it's smooth sailing from there.

Good luck!
-Steve

[RandyS]

Randy

xLights can accommodate this now. It's a mental challenge to accept the way the program operates from the way you think it should operate.  I along with many others had a similar challenge when converting from LOR years ago.

Once I let go of the way it used to be done and embraced the way it is done, I never have looked back or gone back to the old way.  Again, you can program those models today with xLights. It might not be the way your brain's workflow pattern is accustomed to.  The mental hurdle is the biggest one to climb and once you do, it's smooth sailing from there.

Good luck!
-Steve

Steve, apparently I am coming across as a stubborn Vixen user not willing to evolve in to the 21st century...... do I feel Vixen was easier, sure, can it even romotely approach what xlights can do, heck no.   (although, I do feel, being a boomer, that xlights has exponentialy more capability than I will ever be able to utilize).  I accept that xlights operates on a totaly different architecture than Vixen, LOR, etc.
You say xlights can do now that I am asking for........
Please explain to me how xlights can now create 4 instances (colors) of an AC LED model without me manually creating it 4 times in the layout, and be able to assign each instance one of those 4 colors in the preview?  I rely on my preview to give me an accurate picture of what my sequences will look like in real life.  I know many don't, but many also do.
I will say it again, I am only looking for a way to make building a layout easier and faster.  If that won't work, someone just say so.
Thanks,
Randy

[RandyS]

Reading this thread, I have fond memories of working with IT consultants on an ERP project at work! The language barrier between the 'guru' and the 'lay person'. 
I can definitely see what Gilrock is getting at regarding dropping a purple 'on' effect on a green led. If the green RGB value is '0' then should the led be on, off or somewhere in between?
Personally when sequencing my AC channels I try to use the correct color where possible, and use what ever I set up for multicolor strings.

Sorry for poking my nose in!!

Yes, I am a 'lay person' but, my point is, no matter which color you drop on an AC element, it is always going to be the color of the element - can't be any other way.  Not sure who is not understanding whom here.........

I am a 'lay person' too, I feel the pain from both sides of this issue!!
It does matter what color you drop on an AC element because of the way that the program interprets the color.
XLights was desir RGB so when you drop a color, it is made up of the RGB values.Therefore, using Gilrocks example, if you drop a purple on a green element you will not get any lights as the green value in purple is '0'.
When you set up the AC channel in XLights it asks you to give it a color, that determines what the program thinks the color of the element should be.

It was not my intention to upset you, rather I wanted to try and help!

I know that you were only trying to help, and I appreciate it. 

[Gilrock]

Vixen might be easier for AC channels.  I'd still like to see a video of how you setup a 4 color model in Vixen and how it works when sequenced at the channel and model level.

[RandyS]

Vixen might be easier for AC channels.  I'd still like to see a video of how you setup a 4 color model in Vixen and how it works when sequenced at the channel and model level.

I now personally know the definition of insanity...........


You want a video?  You're one of the big brains, how bout you download it and try it yourself.  Should be easy for you...........

[Gilrock]

Do you really expect help with how you've been responding?

[Ebuechner]

I was going to turn on an episode of Grey's Anatomy there's a lot more drama here. I have my popcorn ready don't let me stop you

[RandyS]

Do you really expect help with how you've been responding?

Like I've gotten any so far?