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Sam and Belinda Stone's Show Setup
« on: May 03, 2017, 06:41:41 PM »
Our One Time Opportunity
Our plumbing messed up and flooded the house last year on the only day we had all our Christmas hardware laid out on the floor in the next room. Initially the insurance company classified our 16 channel LOR and D-Light controllers (13 of them) as timers and offered us $3.25 each for a total of $42.25. It wasn't any better for the lights, fixtures, strobes, etc. In an agonizingly slow process we were able to help them better understand what we had lost and thankfully we now have a budget of approximately $4000 to begin from scratch. So we have been scouring forums, websites, suppliers, manufacturers, and everywhere we can think of and the response has been inspiring and humbling. Understandably though, everyone has their own unique perspective and preference and that translates into confusing and contradictory advice which has left us not much better off than when we began and my poor wife and I are still somewhat lost. I have personally read many, many, many tutorials trying to get ahead in the learning process, but until we figure out what we will be working with I now realize I could be wasting valuable time.

Why We're Here
The one near unanimous recommendation from the great people who have offered advice was that X Lights would not only help us better in the immediate future as we start all over, but long-term as well. I want to say that no one said LOR was bad for our health or we might grow horns and a tail if we continued to use them, just a tangible majority said we should switch to X Lights and RGB/Pixels while we have this one-time chance to do so. After that, as explained earlier, just about everything else has been a confusing well-intentioned mixture similar to "this," "not that", "never", and "always"..... and nothing resembling a clear consensus. To help battle the anxiety, we've repeatedly been told we probably have just enough budget for our small home. However, I am on disability (after fighting it for several years) and it is absolutely mandatory for me personally to respect the fact we will only get this one chance to rebuild. I'm also too old, fat, bald, gray, ugly, and lazy to return to the workforce anywhere near my former earnings potential. This means I cannot responsibly justify spending any more money than we get from the insurance claim. If necessary, we may be able to raise a little more money by selling the remaining wireframes we have.

Our Intent
Our show has always been our ministry designed around a manger scene in center, a star of Bethlehem overhead, and an 8 foot tall, 9 foot wide angel wireframe I designed and built to "watch over" Baby Jesus, Mary, Joseph, and the stable.  We will re-light the nativity and a few other wireframes with LED strings (unless we are fortunate enough to afford to change those lights with pixels too) so we will need to replace a few of the destroyed controllers for that. I hope to build a powder coat oven with some of the materials the insurance company would have otherwise thrown away (ceramic tile, for example) to recoat our wireframes and will be happy to offer that service to the Christmas light community at our cost. Being disabled means I can't make profit anyway, so this way we can give back to all the great people who have helped us. The unbelievably unselfish giving of other people's time trying to help plus having seen videos of Sean's home (I think) have renewed our faith and we are beyond excited at the possibilities.

The plea of Desperation:
Can someone/anyone help us sort through the confusion so we can get what we really need before the insurance company changes their mind? I know I will need and am prepared to learn the entirety of RGB, pixels, DMX, new protocols, and new hardware, etc... in a short window of time but I am blessed with more free time than I want, 40 years experience with midi-style programming, 10 years of LOR experience, and an aptitude that has always risen to meet our needs. I will attach photos and drawings, and here is what we think we need:

  • start with X-Lights. Is there some advanced version we should be aware of or adjunct software we may need?
    we will eliminate all our wireframes except the nativity (6 channels), the angel overlooking the manger (1200 mini LEDs divided into 5 channels), and probably two of the angels, one channel each unless we change it
    • RGB/pixels totaling 75 feet to outline our yard
      RGB/pixels totaling 115 feet to outline our house
      RGB/pixels totaling 50 feet to outline the garage doors
      RGB/pixels totaling 104 feet for the interior outline of the home
      RGB/pixels totaling 100 feet to outline the windows


    Our wish list includes:
    • Replacing the windows with a 17 feet wide matrix attached to the mid-roof line in front of the windows on the left facing our home
      adding a second matrix of undetermined size either in front of the garage, the right side windows, or attached to the lower roofline beneath the other matrix
      a pixel tree of 12 x 25 pixels attached to the left side of the home at the 19 foot corner
      I am not certain where to place power supply. Because we have a relatively small total area, I have been told I can get one big fat 4 billion amp/watt power supply and I have been told every other nodule needs its own dedicated source (I admit to a little exaggeration, there)
      I am VERY confused regarding the appropriate hardware and controllers. How many and what type of controllers for the RGB pixels? Pixcon? LOR? E1.31? Wireless? Strict DMX protocol and pixels? Something else entirely?
      Where should I go to get the pixels? Some China outlets have been recommended and have very good reviews
      but other folks have said stay away. Is it correct to believe 12V will serve us better if we prefer to run longer lengths to lower the total number of power supplys? What am I completely missing? 

    Please forgive the long rant. I assure you we sincerely only want to avoid unforced errors and since we have to get it right the first time, we appreciate the availability of all the great talent and experience here. We recognize how unlikely it is for us to be able to do all of this, but I am willing to invest whatever time necessary to do as much of this as possible and will begin putting it together immediately once we are comfortable we have the right stuff. Tomorrow I will begin trying to input as much data as I can in X-Lights so I can start my trial and error learning curve. I have no idea if I have formatted all this stuff coherently, but thank you for just reading and if you can help I promise to help my son become very wealthy adopt us all some day.
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Re: Sam and Belinda Stone's Show Setup
« Reply #1 on: May 03, 2017, 07:17:32 PM »
Step one, just go download xlights and the vamp extension from the download section in the xlights site And start using it. Watch tutorials on how to set up your display. By the time you get that done you will know quite a bit more. Took me about a month to figure that much out. Whatever you do, don't but anything until you get your set up done.

As far aa controllers go, xlights and falcon controllers kind of go hand in hand, the new v3 just came out. IMHO and many others that is the best controller for the money available.

I would also recommend you go to auschristmaslighting.com and get their lighting 101 starter manual. It's pretty much the definitive guide.

There are many great YouTube tutorials available that cover everything you could want to know.

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Re: Sam and Belinda Stone's Show Setup
« Reply #2 on: May 03, 2017, 07:48:01 PM »
Don't worry about the learning curve on xlights. There are many ways to learn. One, just open the software and play around. Two, open Google and type xlights tutorials. You will see many. Third, go to the Facebook page. You may find more personalized help there. Next, find and join a web meeting. You can ask specific questions in real time. Last, PM me, we can do a TeamViewer session and I can try and answer any questions you may have.

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Re: Sam and Belinda Stone's Show Setup
« Reply #3 on: May 03, 2017, 08:02:01 PM »
The Christmas light community is incredible. Your rapid response, kind words, and offer to help is more appreciated than I could possibly tell you. Unfortunately, my wife caught me on the laptop a few minutes ago and reminded me of an eternity's worth of chores but I will be back on this as soon as possible tomorrow morning.

Thank you so very much for your selfless giving.

--Sam Stone
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Re: Sam and Belinda Stone's Show Setup
« Reply #4 on: May 04, 2017, 06:54:50 AM »
If you have not found it yet ... videos.xlights.org has lots of videos.
There is also a manual (although it is a little dated).

The wednesday night call is a great place to gather weekly with other enthusiasts and ask questions and get hands on help.

I would also join the Official xLights Facebook group as a lot of general activity seems to have moved there over the past couple of months.

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Re: Sam and Belinda Stone's Show Setup
« Reply #5 on: May 04, 2017, 07:17:08 AM »
I've already followed version 1 of this thread here:
doityourselfchristmas.com/forums/showthread.php?46984-Confused-and-Losing-My-Mind/page1

You got a lot of good advice there.  Have you downloaded xLights and run the program yet?  I'd suggest you do that first and also it would be better to keep your questions smaller.  I see a post that long and I don't really read it I just try to skim it real fast to try to find the real questions.  Ask the questions in smaller doses and you will get better results.

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Re: Sam and Belinda Stone's Show Setup
« Reply #6 on: May 04, 2017, 08:00:23 AM »
Put your location in your profile and your signature and look at other folks signatures to see if they live close to you.  A nearby mentor with equipment you can see and touch would be very helpful even if there equipment is not your final choice.

If at all possible attend the 3 day Christmas Expo meeting in Nashville in mid July.  Even LOR will be there with a big display.

Good luck with this great opportunity and it is a great opportunity.
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Re: Sam and Belinda Stone's Show Setup
« Reply #7 on: May 04, 2017, 12:15:01 PM »
"start with X-Lights. Is there some advanced version we should be aware of or adjunct software we may need?".
There are now two versions of xlights, 32bit and 64bit. Both have exact same functionality.
32bit can run up to 300-400,000 channels of lights, 64bit can do at least 3 million channels

The only other program you might need are the Vamp plugins. This plugin allows you to create beat track as timing for your sequences.

There will be a two day xLights seminar ($200) or webinar ($40) starting on Sat, May 20th,21st at the Palace Station Casino in Vegas. Two separate tracks, 1 beginning, 2) advanced. There will also be classes on xlights given at the Expo in July. http://www.christmasexpo.com/

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Re: Sam and Belinda Stone's Show Setup
« Reply #8 on: May 04, 2017, 09:40:06 PM »
I did not see a means to respond to all the great suggestions individually. To answer a few questions, yes I have downloaded X-Lights and plan to begin programming this weekend. We both will be watching as much of the available videos as we can (Belinda keeps me sane during this type of process--well, she tries anyway). Our most sincere thanks to each of you who have taken the time to reach out. I know you have all seen similar pleas for help many times, but your kindness and patience is valuable and we deeply respect the time you have given us.

Wish us luck!---Sam, Belinda, and Seaver Stone
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Re: Sam and Belinda Stone's Show Setup
« Reply #9 on: May 05, 2017, 09:13:48 AM »
Another thing to look at it the paid sequences.  Not meaning you need buy any but they will show what is capable of in Xlights.  A couple of my favorites are Snow Miser Heat Miser and Fantasia.  On
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Re: Sam and Belinda Stone's Show Setup
« Reply #10 on: May 05, 2017, 09:13:08 PM »
Another thing to look at it the paid sequences.  Not meaning you need buy any but they will show what is capable of in Xlights.  A couple of my favorites are Snow Miser Heat Miser and Fantasia.  On

Sam, if you want to see Lilia's seuqneces that babybear was referring to here is her video album
https://vimeo.com/album/3888694
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