disappearing effects

[Boof63]

HI beleive this may be a bug, v18. place effect on one model, a different effect on other model.
If you move effect by using arrow keys causes the error. pressing down arrow moves effect ok.
However moving effect up with arrow key,  hides the effect on the next model. it disappears.
However effect is still at string.node level and cant be deleted by placing new effect on model
and then deleting the new effect. remains appear again at string level.
How can i delete these effects please as i dont wish to recreate all the singing faces
associated with this song.
Cheers Boof63
Ps went back to v16 and hiding effects are still there, cheers   

[keithsw1111]

Can you make a video with commentary showing the problem.


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[Gilrock]

Yeah I can't follow text descriptions of GUI actions very well.  Moving up and down should be a rare occasion anyways.  I always wonder why people are dropping effects on the wrong model and need to move them up or down to other models.  The up/down feature was really meant for moving within layers on the same model to change which effect was blending from on top or bottom.  It should have no idea what type of "row" it's landing on.  When using arrow keys if the row is blocked by another effect it should skip it and jump up the next open row.

[keithsw1111]

It’s my belief Gil that moving up down is the largest source of bugs we have but I have been unable to reproduce any crashes reliably. It’s got nothing to do with the movement per se but with the interplay with the background render.


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[Gilrock]

I'd be all for deleting the ability to move effects up and down.  Copy/Paste or Cut/Paste works fine.

[Gilrock]

It’s my belief Gil that moving up down is the largest source of bugs we have but I have been unable to reproduce any crashes reliably. It’s got nothing to do with the movement per se but with the interplay with the background render.

Further thinking about this I really believe this crashing is due to the way we use windows events to trigger rendering.  The ability to move effects quickly with the arrow keys provides the ability to outrun some of the event handling.  If it was designed such that there was a global render manager object that you called directly instead of firing events it would be much better to provide serialization of the rendering commands and lockout invalid behavior.

[keithsw1111]

It’s my belief Gil that moving up down is the largest source of bugs we have but I have been unable to reproduce any crashes reliably. It’s got nothing to do with the movement per se but with the interplay with the background render.

Further thinking about this I really believe this crashing is due to the way we use windows events to trigger rendering.  The ability to move effects quickly with the arrow keys provides the ability to outrun some of the event handling.  If it was designed such that there was a global render manager object that you called directly instead of firing events it would be much better to provide serialization of the rendering commands and lockout invalid behavior.

Actually the problem is the event includes an effect pointer. If instead it included a model, layer and time interval then it would be a lot safer as we could just look up the effect and if it’s no lo get there when the event arrives skip it.


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[Gilrock]

Sure if you want to keep the crappy event firing.  I think it's slow.  Have you ever seen how deep the call chain is to process 1 event and we fire hundreds.

[keithsw1111]

I am just not sure there wasn’t a reason for it. Sometimes events are useful way to defer something so it happens sightsly later. There are a couple of places where this is essential. Not sure about here.


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[Gilrock]

In the embedded programming I do that is where you would use a queue for one thread to place something to be done into the queue of another task.

[Boof63]

what programme do you suggest i use and what file format is required please ,cheers Boof63

[keithsw1111]

For some reason I am not seeing the rest of the thread so I assume you are asking about recording what you did. The easiest way is create a zoom conference share your screen and record it. Stop recording and exit and it creates a mov file.


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[Gilrock]

My son directed me to a nice screen recorder the other day that is free called OBS Studio.  You can record what you want to show and creating an MP4 would be fine but don't post a video file here you need to have a place you load stuff and then provide a link to it.

[Boof63]

Ok thanks team, will try zoom and the see
Cheers Boof63

[Boof63]

Having problems with Zoom, cant reproduce it again (tried 16 & 18) ,so maybe something at my end. Will keep playing and see if it appears again. Will cut N Paste from now on.
Thanks for support and apologies for wasting your time on a prospective ghost ( or FU on my behalf)
Cheers Boof63