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Offline samstone11

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"Output to Lights" Crashes our Internet/Network
« on: April 22, 2019, 05:09:09 PM »
I posted this in another subject, so please feel free to delete whichever is in the most inappropriate location.
[/size]We have been having a lot of trouble with our internet service, so we had a tech come out for the 1 millionth time and finally got one who was literally willing to spend hours with me tracking the problem. What we found was that 100% of the time I ask X-Lights to “output to lights” our entire internet dies and the network crashes down to a crawl. I am no longer able to control lights through our Falcon F16V3 1 controller/X-Lights setup except for test, which works just fine. I can hook everything up, test the FPP, run X-Lights, even build a new sequence, but as soon as I output to lights, everything is gone. I can’t even get a speed test to work because it times out. The tech and I checked all the provider’s hardware and settings and everything we could think of such as too many devices, specific devices, changing from 5G to 2.4G, isolating the controller entirely, etc., but the only thing that caused the crash was asking X-Lights to control the lights. Nothing else. The controller has no problem running the lights in test mode over the network or just connecting the laptop directly to the controller, but enabling controlling the lights means I’m goobered. We put a lot of effort making our home a safe place for all of his friends to congregate and since it’s not unusual for him to have 4 or 5 friends over, each with their phones and a few laptops, so we pay for 200Mbps and usually get it and sometimes appreciably more. Last year we only had half of that bandwidth and there was no trouble even controlling the show wirelessly through the network. No interference, no lag, no anything detrimental. Unfortunately though, I got very ill last year just as it was time to put the lights up and wound up without 90% of our show. So this year I am trying very hard to have everything completely finished in the next month or two so I can relax a while and the worst thing that can happen is our 18-year-old son puts everything together this year when it’s time.
[/size]Has anyone else ever seen this problem? What kind of settings could possibly cause this? I sent in a bug report and do not know how to post my settings, but if they are needed I am happy to learn how to do it.
[/size]I always feel obligated to mention I am disabled to begin with, so I am only capable of devoting small snippets of time here and there to work on this. It was anxiety/stress that put me on disability to begin with, so I am struggling in more ways than my ego likes to admit. Every forum I’ve ever been involved with has been incredibly good to my family and I, so I wish you all the very best and if anyone has any suggestions they would be greatly appreciated.
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Re: "Output to Lights" Crashes our Internet/Network
« Reply #1 on: April 22, 2019, 05:35:30 PM »
Been there done that. So how many channels are you running??   You can always run your show off a subnet Pain in the ass.....  Ok what I do is have my Pi s,   controllers  all on a switch nothing on WIFI..  I have 2 Pi s 2 controllers and a BBB and my computer. so Im using a 8 port switch.  Now the one line that  goes to my computer I have put on an (A) (B) switch. When my show is running hit the (B) button that goes nowhere. that way my home network does not get flooded with all the channel data. If I need to work on my show Pi s or controllers I just hit the (A) switch and Im off and running.
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Re: "Output to Lights" Crashes our Internet/Network
« Reply #2 on: April 23, 2019, 07:38:19 AM »
Are all your controllers in xLights setup using Unicast or Multicast?  Sounds like you need to use Unicast.

How many channels are you running?

You could also run your show on a different router that's on a different subnet than the house.  I used to run my show on a cheap $25 Walmart router.

I can tell you how stressed my network is and it keeps up just fine.  Last year I switched to a single router so my house and show share the same network so that I wouldn't be double-natted.  I have like 60,000 channels in my show but over half of them are in P10 panels so that data doesn't flow across the network because the FPP's drive them at each panel.  I have about 8 computers connected to the network.  I have 2 TIVO's that are sometimes both streaming Netflix.  I have 3 security cameras that stream over the network to a PC dedicated to the camera software and then I stream that desktop to my main PC using remote admin.  My wife, son, and daughter all have iPhones and my son sits at his computer playing a game on one screen while streaming videos on a second screen.  I have an iPhone8 from work and a Samsung Galaxy S9+ which both are connected wirelessly to my network.  My network handles all of that.  So with decent equipment and setting things up properly like using unicast instead of flooding the network with multicast you should be nowhere near the congestion I put on my network.

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Re: "Output to Lights" Crashes our Internet/Network
« Reply #3 on: April 23, 2019, 06:23:51 PM »
Run check sequence. Are you sure you are not sending data erroneously to the internet.


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Re: "Output to Lights" Crashes our Internet/Network
« Reply #4 on: April 24, 2019, 06:52:46 AM »
I am interested in this .. my internet goes out to but never thought it could be "output to lights". Going to try and troubleshoot this on my side as well. (Separate show network F16 and F48). Check sequence is clean. The pc with the sw has the route commands to allow F48 & F16 to talk to FPP.  F48 is sluggish but that is not an xlights issue.

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Re: "Output to Lights" Crashes our Internet/Network
« Reply #5 on: April 24, 2019, 05:51:29 PM »
for us to help we need some basic info.    unicast or multicast and how many channels. you really need unicast. 
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Re: "Output to Lights" Crashes our Internet/Network
« Reply #6 on: April 24, 2019, 06:56:48 PM »
I am interested in this .. my internet goes out to but never thought it could be "output to lights". Going to try and troubleshoot this on my side as well. (Separate show network F16 and F48). Check sequence is clean. The pc with the sw has the route commands to allow F48 & F16 to talk to FPP.  F48 is sluggish but that is not an xlights issue.
For me ... unicast (so 2 different IPs) f16 50X510  f48 30X510 
F16 is NOT plugged in during my tests..
[update] I was able to replicate it .. so running a full sequence with output to lights (obviously just testing as for xmas it will be on a pi), from my wired "bridge" pc - it took out my other pc's on my house router (incl my zoom session :-) ) how do I triage this network issue?
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Re: "Output to Lights" Crashes our Internet/Network
« Reply #7 on: April 24, 2019, 08:33:38 PM »
You shouldn't run output to lights without controllers. Quick unicast high level tutorial.
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Re: "Output to Lights" Crashes our Internet/Network
« Reply #8 on: April 24, 2019, 09:18:37 PM »
Guys these problems have simple causes but without configuration info they are impossible to diagnose.

Here’s a fun fact let’s say I run my controllers on a wired connection on a 192.168.1.x network but I leave it unplugged. The data doesn’t just stay on your pc it will go out your wifi 192.168.0.x network and most likely to your isp who will throw it away.


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Re: "Output to Lights" Crashes our Internet/Network
« Reply #9 on: April 25, 2019, 07:18:16 AM »
Yea .. I was realizing that last night .. cant really do an output to lights on my pc with it hooked up this way.
PC -> Home Router -> wifi back to Pi -> Show Router -> Controller

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Re: "Output to Lights" Crashes our Internet/Network
« Reply #10 on: April 25, 2019, 07:20:29 AM »
Since I only have 100+ pixels actually hooked up - is there a way to limit the number of channels that go to the "output to lights" would that make any difference?

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Re: "Output to Lights" Crashes our Internet/Network
« Reply #11 on: April 25, 2019, 07:42:45 AM »
The simple way is to right click on any outputs on the Setup tab that are NOT connected and "Deactivate" them.   Then they won't have any data output them.  In general, I keep ALL my outputs deactivated and only activate the stuff I'm specifically testing, do the test, then deactivate them again.

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Re: "Output to Lights" Crashes our Internet/Network
« Reply #12 on: April 25, 2019, 08:57:33 AM »
The simple way is to right click on any outputs on the Setup tab that are NOT connected and "Deactivate" them.   Then they won't have any data output them.  In general, I keep ALL my outputs deactivated and only activate the stuff I'm specifically testing, do the test, then deactivate them again.
Excellent .. I will take that approach too.. perhaps this will help the OP with his issues as well.